FRC Thoughts Mid-2017

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Luke
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Fyi Ramesh,

Checking out some details (of my own) with this mammoth of a track you are going to build. It will truly overshadow every known track in the country.

So much so & with lots still to do - just by looking over the image - it seems when not in use, you can not use 1 covering for this size (10 x 30) table and would probably need 2 industrial (15 x 20) size tarpaulins.

Also, it's interesting how the lenght (TRL) of the FRC track is ~ compared to the surface used with this new one ...
  • The new track on a 10 x 30 surface is (approx.) 114' TRL
    The FRC track on a 08 x 12 surface is (approx.) 075' TRL
An extra 2 x 18 (width & length) surface area for another 039' TRL ...

The point I'm making - the FRC table in measurement was well utilized.

A bit of observation,

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Thanks for those details, which only you Luke, can think about. Because of the good use of track running space at FRC, its what prompted me to use this layout. Gordon can you help me with a detail schematic with numbered track pieces for the exact layout plan. Can you also get what power requirements that worked well for Goodspeed , like jumpers etc since the lanes are so long. Thanks very much.
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A thought on RLMP. Why not increase the rpm to 30k in an effort to separate the performance of the class from the RGT.
RLMP is supposed to be the top of the list etc. and it is a bit disconcerting when a GT passes you like the proverbial "full Bus". At least it would be another RLMP passing me like you know...... :D
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I don't have a problem with O'Brie's suggestion as far as having the LMP cars faster than their GT counterparts. I would consider even going one step further and leave the current motor regs. (ie. unrestricted). The reasons for this are that :
1) with the amended downforce rules, the cars will be running a LOT less magnet and with this reduction in downforce, added power becomes less of an advantage. An abundance of power , from say the 40k rpm motors possibly fitted to some current LMP cars, could, with the reduced downforce, result in cars being very difficult to drive. In other words, an extremely powerful motor would not necessarily result in better lap times than a moderately powerful one. I think the desired increase in lap times would be achieved simply as a result of the reduced downforce .
2) as mentioned above, cars may already be fitted with the higher powered motors and it would be impractical (and costly) to re-motor these cars in mid-season.Owners could re-motor if they want to but it would not be mandatory.
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Guys lets leave it as it is as RLMP , I think its a move in the right direction, i have already setting up cars for the class as restricted LMP and its going to be fun for me to build these new cars.Trying to get all out of this new rpm . see you guys soon.
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Light reminder fellas,

:arrow: Changes have been done (indicated in purple) for the new Restricted LMP (RLMP) under FRC CLASSES 2017 racing season ;)

Early AM thoughts :D

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Extra thought - shouldn't the Scalextric GT Challenge (SGTC) - IROC class be removed from the FRC Classes 2017 .. :?:
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On the topic Gordon ... with some (now) suitable updating.

The PC, LS & FTC IROC classes regs should be merged as the only MGT IROC class. All in order for easy viewing with the 3 MGT, MC & NSS IROC classes - rather than the amount (PC, LS, FTC, MC, NSS & SGT) presently shown.

Again, on the topic :)

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Promise I wouldn't recommend anything else for the rest of the month :D

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Guys, thinking about O'Brie's suggestion of allowing motors up to 30K and Steve's suggestion of allowing any motor, I have one concern with higher RPM motors. As Steve mentioned, with restricted downforce they will actually make the cars harder to drive. This means potentially more de-slots and heavy crashes, something we all would like to avoid. I do though understand O'Brie's suggestion that LMP cars should be quicker than GT cars to more closely reflect what happens in real endurance racing.

Its strange how these things sometimes come up when someone else is thinking along the same lines. In this case, that someone else was me and what I was thinking of during last weekend's Le Mans race was a revamping of our LMP-E and GT-E regulations for that past one-off event so that we can do it again sometime in the future. If you recall, Ramesh was able to prepare an LMP-E and a GT-E car that both outpaced all other LMP-E and GT-E cars. While this is not surprising considering his amazing car-prep skills, it shows that the regulations were still too close for these classes to have a definite separation in performance.

What I was thinking to do for the LMP-E / GT-E regs revamp is slow down the the GT-E cars by restricting motors to 18K (any brand) and placing the magnets 40 mm ahead of rear axle (like VS6075). In the case of LMP-E, motors would be restricted to 23.5K (as per the current RGT and RLMP regs) and require that magnets be placed ahead of rear tyres (like MP). In both cases, the USD rule will apply. Cars would also have a minimum overall weight of 80 gm. The whole idea is in keeping with the general trand of slowing the cars and reducing downforce.

Having said all of this, I feel that if we want a performance difference between RGT and RLMP, I feel we should be slowing down the RGT cars instead of speeding up the RLMP cars. As things stand at the moment with the rules, they will have identical performance potential.
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