Race report #237 - Thursday Aug 10th 2017 (HS, APC, VS6075)

[gordon]

RACE REPORT #237 - August 10th 2017 (HS, APC, VS6075)

Well despite the bad weather during last night's racing for our historic classes Historic Saloon, American Pony Car and Vintage Sports '60-'75, the FRC roll-down awning allowed everything to go on without interruption. With just four drivers present, we were able to get through tech inspection, qualifying and the races fairly quickly, so we had time in between races to sit and chat while sipping a cold beer or two. As usual, the on-track action did not disappoint as there was close competition and a fair share of spills to keep everyone busy.



Results



Historic Saloon starting grid:






American Pony Car starting grid:


My Boss Mustang ends up on the back of Ramesh's Camaro during one of the American Pony Car races:










Vintage Sports '60-'75 starting grid:


Triple car collision when my blue Ford GT40 de-slots and takes out O'Brie's Lola T70 Mk III and Steve's GT40:










Congratulations to the winners!

Next event's classes: Class grouping B - Rally Car (RC), Slot.It Challenge (SC), Formula 1 (F1) / Mixed GT (MGT) IROC (3 races/stages).

Don't forget to see the updated overall fastest times and the fastest times by driver and class for 2017 to know what the benchmarks are for your cars, the updated class average qualifying times and the updated fastest times for 2017.

See you on the circuit...
Gordon

[RameshB]

Thanks guys great racing with you, and enjoyable evening. I do have one comment on the points system . i believe that if a driver has 2 wins and a second place he should win the class. This should be given some consideration. Thanks.

[gordon]

Ram, I know you've brought up that topic before. The reason it happens is because of giving a point for pole position. The only way to prevent this is to remove the pole point. What do you all think, should we or shouldn't we remove the pole point from now on?

[steveaca]

Fun night of racing as usual at FRC, despite the small driver turnout. I think I'm going in search of a Datsun , Vauxhall or something to race in HS and break the Ford strangle-hold. Having said that, it is good to be a part of the Ford winning team in the APC manufacturer stakes. Congrats to Gordon and Ram on their tie for victory in APC and to Ram for winning everything else.
Re Ram's comment, one of the reasons that a driver can win two races and come second in a third and and still not win the class outright is, as Gordon says, because another driver who wins one race and has two second places might also have the extra point for pole position. This scenario will only happen when there are four or less drivers. Once there are more than four, the points gap between first and second place tilts the balance in favour of the driver who wins more races.
Re the extra point for pole position, I'm not fully decided but am swaying towards eliminating it. This topic has come up in discussions about real 1:1 racing (including F1) and my feeling has always been that pole position is its own reward, ie. achieving it puts the driver in a much better position relative to all the others at the start of a race and improves his chances of doing well. I think a similar principle applies at FRC, although to a lesser extent.

[RameshB]

Very well put Steve , i think it should be a grid advantage and not a points advantage. In our local racing this is how its done.On another note , in our rally class coming up are we going to be permitted to treat the rubber tyres before each stage? Thanks.

[gordon]

Very well put Steve , i think it should be a grid advantage and not a points advantage. In our local racing this is how its done.On another note , in our rally class coming up are we going to be permitted to treat the rubber tyres before each stage? Thanks.

Well I too now agree with removing the pole point. I'd just like to hear O'Brie's opinion before finalising it.

[gordon]

Ram, we introduced the rule of not allowing tyre oiling at the last rally event and it still holds - no tyre oiling after cars are placed in Parc Ferme.

[obrie]

HI GUYS

I totally agree with eliminating the pole position point. It is a double advantage in my view.

Oiling tires and cleaning tires are two distinctly different processes.
Oiling is adding an additive to the rubber to soften it not cleaning it.
cleaning is removing dust etc. with either water/spit or alcohol.
You are not altering the composition of the tire by cleaning it mearly allowing it to preform at its best be it rubber, silicon or urethane.
Oil is and step short of tire goo.
Ban oil but not cleaning.

[gordon]

Oiling tires and cleaning tires are two distinctly different processes.
Oiling is adding an additive to the rubber to soften it not cleaning it.
cleaning is removing dust etc. with either water/spit or alcohol.
You are not altering the composition of the tire by cleaning it mearly allowing it to preform at its best be it rubber, silicon or urethane.
Oil is and step short of tire goo.
Ban oil but not cleaning.

This topic now has its own post for discussion here:

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