LMP-E/GT-E endurance event proposal

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Re: LMP-E/GT-E endurance event proposal

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Luke, I'm not understanding how just the motor RPM difference will automatically produce the desired lap times and 1 sec difference between the two classes.
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GG,

How was your weekend ..?

I looked over what you wrote - the only differential in the classes will be the the motors and I believe that is not enough.

So - I'm going to find out if my idea - cars must not be able to magnetically adhere to standard Scalextric track piece in an upside down position- is correct but I am not sure which one of these brand of cars to work with ...

My 6 cars (3 x 2 cars) I could race in the suggested LMP-E & GT-E Event ...
  • 1. 2 Scalextric - Peugeot 908 HDi FAP No.7/Chevrolet Corvette C6R No.17
    2. 2 Slot.It - Lancia LC2 No.5/Nissan R390 GT1 No.32
    3. 2 Ninco - Acura LMP No.15/BMW M3 GTR No.42
If you don't mind, I would like to ask you which one of the combination (set of 2) cars I should try and work with .. :?:

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Luke you don't need to test your theory. It's already been tested. Our current RGT lap record is in the 5.2 sec bracket, significantly faster than the ideal LMP-E lap time I'd like to see. And that's running a 22,500 RPM motor.
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A-Okay GG,

Thanks for the data and understand clearly what you're trying to achieve ...

Am I on the right track:

Group 5 Sports Cars (G5SC) an average recent lap time - 6.0 sec.

• Minimum Ground Clearance: 1.0 mm / 0.040".
• Motor: 26K rpm
• Magnets: MM/M downforce of 200 gms (107% = 214 gms).

... with this exampled slotcar set-up formula (above), that could get the desired speeds you're looking for with the (23.5 & 25K rpm motors) respective classes .. :?:

Plus not forgetting ~ cars minimum weight of 90 gm. 8-)

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Yes Luke, we already have some data to work with to get an idea of how similarly set-up cars perform, however I'd like to see best lap times around 6.0 sec for LMP-E and 7.0 sec for GT-E as an ideal situation.
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Guys,

I have a radical suggestion setting up an Endurance Grid of Sponsored Racing Cars ...

All for the sake of having an even racing field of cars.

The only difference is with the 6 teams of drivers. Yes, thinking it through may sound and feel a bit strange but sure it could be pulled off - if we talk it through ...

Over time, we know who are the notable slotcar builder persons.

How about these recommend guys setting up 2 cars in total and ... one for each (LMP-E/GT-E) class.
  • • Gordon ................ LMP-E/GT-E
    Ramesh ............... LMP-E/GT-E
    • Steve .................. LMP-E/GT-E
    Arden .................. LMP-E/GT-E
    • Luke ................... LMP-E/GT-E
Then set up the grid with the top 6 BLT (3 LMP X 3 GT) cars for the 6 racing teams.

I am not sure how car positions are taken on the grid with the 2 classes ... but however it is done, the idea here is to have a race ready grid of cars. After, we could do some sort of competition for the top 6 drivers and maybe roll the dice for a teammate with the other 6 (number 7-12) drivers.

Hope you'll like the suggestion and I am still leaving room for - if anyone don't with this radical idea :D

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Good Morning GG & others,

Forcing my Radical Suggestion here:

Six race ready endurance cars doing required lap times per class ... for a somewhat level racing field ~ for six teams (top six drivers) and their "how about" roll of a dice teammate :)

I'm wondering if this recommendation didn't tickle anybody fancy in an out and out way .. :?:

After all, its just a slot car race for recreational purposes which also means spending time relaxing :D

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BTW GG,

I also thought about your personal pride and joy (Slot It brand/LMP Audi R18) slot car and in cases like this, have the alternative (shorter version) event for cars at this level - driven by a single (owner) driver.

My input to come up with a racing event conclusion ...

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Hi Luke,
not sure if I got this correct but my understanding of your proposal is that cars are set up by certain people and the cars are then qualified for grid positions. Teams are then selected for the various cars.
If this is so, what could theoretically happen is that there is a grid of cars none of which is being driven by its owner/builder. I would not be comfortable with building a car, qualifying it(assuming that the owner qualifies the car) and then have a roll of a die or some other method decide that I get to drive someone else's car instead of my own.
Not sure if my interpretation of your suggestion is correct though. If it is not, please let me know.
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Guys, this is how I see things going:

1. The Cars

Everyone who is interested can prepare as many cars for each of the two classes as they want or are able to. At the end of the day, we just need six cars in the race, three LMP-E and three GT-E.

2. The Drivers and Qualifying

One definite requirement of this event is that we must have at least twelve drivers. An extra benefit of this is that with six cars running at a time, were guaranteed to have at least six marshals at any point in time.

The owners of each car entered must arrange with another person to be their team-mate. This team-mate can also be an owner of one or more cars entered. All the cars entered can take part in qualifying, with at least one driver on eace team qualifying that team's cars. Optionally, all drivers on each team can take part in qualifying if desired and they can qualify as many of their team's cars as they want, however each driver will only be allowed one qualifying run with each car. Once all the times are in, the fastest three LMP-E cars and the the fastest GT-E cars (that are not being driven by any of the drivers of the fastest three LMP-E cars) will qualify for the race. The starting grid will be based on qualifying times, not class, therefore it's possible for a GT car to start ahead of an LMP car.

3. The Race

Each team will decide who drives and when they drive. The only rule here is that each driver on a team must drive. Teams can make as many (or as few) pit stops as they like, once this stipulation is met.
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