Proposed 2015 Classes

Post by **gordon** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:18 pm

Guys,

I've posted this here as our Rules and Class Regulations section does not allow comments.

I've been evolving what I feel the class changes for 2015 should be for several months now, making notes of the changes based on suggestions, comments and discussions with drivers. I've also included my own thoughts as reasons that makes sense to me surface. All my suggestions here (shown in blue) are in the interest of closer and fairer competition as well as allowing a range of classes from relatively slow to super fast.

Please post your comments and questions below.

Gordon

FRC CLASSES

Cars are subject to pre or post-race tech inspection and those not complying are ineligible for competition or subject to disqualification.

Amendments for the 2015 racing season are indicated in blue.

General (all classes):

Cars must have four wheels with tyres and a body.
Car body must be a 1/32 scale model of an actual car, past or present. Body may not be modified in a way which significantly lightens it or renders it indistinguishable from original car.
A driver figure comprising at least a head must be present in the driver position of the car unless the specific class allows the windows to be tinted so as not to reveal the cockpit. Open cockpit cars require a driver and a "shelf"; closed cars require at least a driver head, front and rear glass and a cover over the mechanicals. (With the exception of cars where the windows are tinted.)
All tyres must be of a silicone, rubber, rubber-like or urethane construction. No o-ring or sponge tires allowed.
All tyres must be run DRY, with no traction compounds or treatments added. Cleaner residue or softening treatments must have been removed before placing the car on the track. Any car that leaves a residue on the track surface shall be immediately disqualified and removed from the race.
Non-magnetic weight may be added to cars.
Weights or magnets added to the underside of the chassis must be securely affixed so as to not be dislodged during a race. They must also be completely covered by plastic tape.
The body mounting screws may be loosened. If they are, they MUST BE COVERED with tape to prevent debris on the track.
Any braid may be used.
Where a minimum ground clearance is specified, this minimum only applies to areas under any installed magnets.
Where a maximum downforce limit is specified, this will be checked using the FRC-based Magnet Marshal. When placed on the Magnet Marshal only the car's guide flag and tyres may make contact with the Magnet Marshal. This is a requirement for accurate downforce readings.
Magnet Marshal readings up to 105% of the stipulated maximum are considered legal. Remember, the maximum allowed is 100% with a leeway of up to 105%. Any car over 105% will be automatically demoted to last place.
Any modification not specifically listed for each class is prohibited.
Where the word "Free" is used for any category below, it must still comply with these "General" regulations.
For classes where any form of motor restriction applies, motor make and model must be identifiable so as to ascertain its legibility for the class. (Eg: Leave original label/markings on motor)

Scratch-Built (home-built) cars:

These are one-off cars built by individuals using 1/32 scale bodies usually from plastic model kits from companies like Revell, Airfix, etc. These may use chassis and other components from slot car manufacturers and can include "generic chassis" like the Slot.It HRS and HRS2 and the MRRC Sebring chassis or chassis from a specific slot car. Chassis may also be completely scratch-built and unique.

The most important aspect of running scratch-built cars is that the bodies and mechanical/electrical components must comply with the regulations for the class they are intended. Mechanical/electrical components include:
- Motor
- Magnet(s)
- Tyres
- Gears
- SSD Chip
Scratch-built cars may compete in all but the "IROC" classes, unless the specific class regulations override this. Examples of classes that do not permit scratch-built cars are Slot.It Challenge and F1. Please see the specific scratch-built regulations for certain classes below.

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"IROC" Classes - cars owned by FRC
- Porsche Cup (PC) - "IROC" class for Scalextric Porsche 997s - Now run as "Mixed GT" with Lambo Series and Ferrari Team Challenge cars
  - Body: Standard Scalextric Porsche 997.
  - Chassis: Standard Scalextric Porsche 997.
  - Interior: Standard Scalextric Porsche 997.
  - Digital Chip: Scalextric F1.
  - Motor: Slot.It 21,500 RPM FC130 motor.
  - Gearing: 11-T brass pinion, standard Scalextric Porsche 997 spur gear.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Standard for the particular model.
  - Magnets: Standard Scalextric Porsche 997.
  - Wheels: Standard Scalextric Porsche 997.
  - Axles: Standard Scalextric Porsche 997.
  - Tyres: Standard Scalextric Porsche 997 front, Maxxtrac silicones rear.
  - Guide Flag: Standard Scalextric Porsche 997.
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  Lambo Series (LS) - "IROC" class for Scalextric Lamborghini Gallardos - Now run as "Mixed GT" with Porsche Cup and Ferrari Team Challenge cars
  - Body: Standard Scalextric Lamborghini Gallardo.
  - Chassis: Standard Scalextric Lamborghini Gallardo.
  - Interior: Standard Scalextric Lamborghini Gallardo.
  - Digital Chip: Scalextric F1.
  - Motor: Scale Auto yellow-can 25,000 RPM FC130 motor.
  - Gearing: 11-T brass pinion, standard Scalextric Lamborghini Gallardo spur gear.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Standard for the particular model.
  - Magnets: Standard Scalextric Lamborghini Gallardo.
  - Wheels: Standard Scalextric Lamborghini Gallardo.
  - Axles: Standard Scalextric Lamborghini Gallardo.
  - Tyres: Standard Scalextric Lamborghini Gallardo front, Maxxtrac M2 silicones rear.
  - Guide Flag: Standard Scalextric Lamborghini Gallardo.
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  Ferrari Team Challenge (FTC) - "IROC" class for Scalextric Ferrari F430s - Now run as "Mixed GT" with Porsche Cup and Lambo Series cars
  - Body: Standard Scalextric Ferrari F430.
  - Chassis: Standard Scalextric Ferrari F430.
  - Interior: Standard Scalextric Ferrari F430.
  - Digital Chip: Scalextric F1.
  - Motor: Scalextric yellow-can 20,000 RPM FC130 motor.
  - Gearing: Standard Scalextric Ferrari F430 gears.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Standard for the particular model.
  - Magnets: Standard Scalextric Ferrari F430 (non-magnetic magnet blanks in frontmost magnet position).
  - Wheels: Standard Scalextric Ferrari F430.
  - Axles: Standard Scalextric Ferrari F430.
  - Tyres: Standard Scalextric Ferrari F430 front, Maxxtrac silicones rear.
  - Guide Flag: Standard Scalextric Ferrari F430.
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  Mini Challenge (MC) - "IROC" class for Scalextric BMW Minis
  - Body: Standard Scalextric BMW Mini.
  - Chassis: Standard Scalextric BMW Mini.
  - Interior: Standard Scalextric BMW Mini.
  - Digital Chip: Scalextric F1.
  - Motor: Standard Scalextric BMW Mini.
  - Gearing: Standard Scalextric BMW Mini gears.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Standard for the particular model.
  - Magnets: Standard Scalextric BMW Mini.
  - Wheels: Standard Scalextric BMW Mini.
  - Axles: Standard Scalextric BMW Mini.
  - Tyres: Standard Scalextric BMW Mini.
  - Guide Flag: Standard Scalextric BMW Mini.
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  Nissan GT-R Super Series (NSS) - "IROC" class for Scalextric Nissan GT-Rs
  - Body: Standard Scalextric Nissan GT-R.
  - Chassis: Standard Scalextric Nissan GT-R.
  - Interior: Standard Scalextric Nissan GT-R.
  - Digital Chip: Scalextric F1.
  - Motor: H&R Racing 26,000 RPM FC130 motor.
  - Gearing: Standard Scalextric Nissan GT-R.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Standard for the particular model.
  - Magnets: Standard Scalextric Nissan GT-R.
  - Wheels: Standard Scalextric Nissan GT-R.
  - Axles: Standard Scalextric Nissan GT-R.
  - Tyres: Standard Scalextric Nissan GT-R front, Maxxtrac silicones rear.
  - Guide Flag: Standard Scalextric Nissan GT-R.
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  Scalextric GT Challenge (SGTC) - "IROC" class for two each of stock Scalextric Porsche 997s, Ferrari F430s and Lamborghini Gallardos
  - Body: Standard for the particular model.
  - Chassis: Standard for the particular model.
  - Interior: Standard for the particular model.
  - Digital Chip: Scalextric F1.
  - Motor: Standard Scalextric 18,000 RPM FC130 motor.
  - Gearing: Standard for the particular model.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Standard for the particular model.
  - Magnets: Balanced to give approximately the same downforce.
  - Wheels: Standard for the particular model.
  - Axles: Standard for the particular model.
  - Tyres: Standard for the particular model but rear trued.
  - Guide Flag: Standard for the particular model.
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Stock Classes
- Historic Saloon (HS)
  For unmodified slot models of cars based on production saloon/sedan and road going sports cars from the 1960s and 1970s - see Eligable Cars below.
  - Body: See Eligable Cars below. Body must comply with General item 2. Windows may not be tinted - interior must be visible. Scratch-built Cars: Fender flares up to 0.2 in (5 mm) may be added to the standard unflared body.
  - Chassis: Standard for the particular model.
  - Minimum Ground Clearance: 1.0 mm / 0.040".
  - Interior: Full interior as standard for the particular model, however this may be altered if necessary, but only to the extent required to install digital chip. Must comply with General item 3.
  - Digital Chip: Scalextric brand only.
  - Motor: 20,000 RPM or lower, based on manufacturer's specifications.
  - Gearing: Standard for the particular model. Scratch-built Cars: Must be a 3:1 ratio.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Standard for the particular model.
  - Magnets: Must be located in the standard position(s). Maximum Magnet Marshal downforce of 180 gms (105% = 189 gms). Stacking allowed. Scratch-built Cars: Magnet(s) must be in a single location on the chassis.
  - Wheels: Standard for the particular model. Scratch-built Cars: Maximum width of 0.25 in (6.35 mm).
  - Axles: Standard for the particular model. Tyres may not extend beyond body when viewed from top of car. Scratch-built Cars: Track maximum of 2 in (51 mm)..
  - Tyres: Free.
  - Guide Flag: Free.
  - Eligible cars:
    - Scalextric 1960s/70s Ford Escorts and Cortinas
    - Scalextric BMC Minis
    - Scalextric Holden L34 Torana
    - Fly Alfa Romeo Giulia
    - Revell Lotus Cortina
    - Revell Trabant 601S
    - Revell NSU TT
    - Revell Simca 1000
    - Revell Jaguar E-Type
    - Revell Mustang GT350
    - Revell BMW 320 from the 70s
    - Scalextric MGB
    - Pioneer MGB
    - Pioneer Mustangs from the '60s and '70s
    - SCX Fiat 131 Abarth
    - SRC Ford Capri
    Registered scratch-built cars (Car / Owner):
    - Triumph TR4A / Gordon
    The list will be expanded if and when other eligible models appear.
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  Vintage Sports (VS)
  For unmodified slot models of racing sports and prototype cars from the 1960s - see Eligable Cars below.
  - Body: See Eligable Cars below. Body must comply with General item 2. Windows may not be tinted - interior must be visible. Scratch-built Cars: Standard for the particular model - flares may not be added.
  - Chassis: Standard for the particular model.
  - Minimum Ground Clearance: 1.0 mm / 0.040".
  - Interior: Full interior as standard for the particular model, however this may be altered if necessary, but only to the extent required to install digital chip. Must comply with General item 3.
  - Digital Chip: Scalextric brand only.
  - Motor: 21,500 RPM or lower, based on manufacturer's specifications.
  - Gearing: Motor and axle gears may be changed.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Standard for the particular model.
  - Magnets: Must be located in the standard position(s). Maximum Magnet Marshal downforce of 220 gms (105% = 231 gms). Stacking allowed. Scratch-built Cars: Magnet(s) must be in a single location on the chassis.
  - Wheels: Standard for the particular model. Scratch-built Cars: Maximum width of 0.32 in (8.2 mm).
  - Axles: Standard for the particular model. Tyres may not extend beyond body when viewed from top of car. Scratch-built Cars: Track maximum of 2.5 in (63 mm).
  - Tyres: Free.
  - Guide Flag: Free.
  - Eligible cars:
    - Alfa Romeo TZ2
    - Chaparral 2
    - Chaparral 2A
    - Chaparral 2E
    - Chaparral 2F
    - Cheetah
    - Cobra
    - Cobra Daytona
    - Cooper-Ford
    - Corvette Grand Sport
    - Corvette L88
    - Ferrari 250 GTO
    - Ferrari 250 LM 1966
    - Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa
    - Ferrari 275P
    - Ferrari 330 P4
    - Ford GT Mk IV
    - Ford GT40
    - Ford P68
    - Jaguar E-Type
    - King Cobra
    - Lola T70
    - McLaren M6A (this is technically a Can-Am car but was built and raced during the appropriate period for this class)
    - Porsche 904
    - Porsche 906
    - Porsche 907
    - Porsche 908/2, 1969
    - Porsche 910
    - Porsche Carrera 6
    The list will be expanded if and when other eligible models appear.
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  Slot.It Challenge (SC)
  For Slot.It brand Group C cars only - see Eligable Cars below.
  - Body: See Eligable Cars below. Body must comply with General item 2. Windows may not be tinted - interior must be visible.
  - Chassis: Standard for the particular model.
  - Interior: Standard for the particular model and must comply with General item 3.
  - Digital Chip: Slot.It brand only.
  - Motor: Standard Slot.It orange-endbell 21,500 RPM motor.
  - Gearing: Gears may be changed however axle gears must be Slot.It.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Motor pod may be changed but must be inline Slot.It.
  - Magnets: Single standard Slot.It "non-race" magnet which may be positioned in any of the standard locations on the Slot.It motor pod.
  - Wheels: May be changed but must be Slot.It.
  - Axles: Standard for the particular model.
  - Tyres: May be changed but must be Slot.It.
  - Guide Flag: Free.
  - Eligible cars:
    - Mazda 787B
    - Jaguar XJR12
    - Sauber C9 Mercedes
    - Porsche 962
    - Porsche 956
    - Porsche 962 KH
    - Porsche 956 KH
    - Lancia LC 2
    - Jaguar XJR 9 LM
    - Nissan R390 GT1 (not a Group C car, but allowed)
    - Audi R8C (NOT the racing anglewinder model)
    - McLaren F1 GTR (not a Group C car, but allowed)
    - Toyota 88C
    The list will be expanded if and when other eligible models appear.
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  Formula 1 (F1)
  For unmodified Scalextric models of F1 cars equipped with FF motors.
  - Body: Must be modeled after a car which competes in F1 racing from 2000 onwards and must comply with General item 2. Windscreen may not be tinted - interior must be visible.
  - Chassis: Standard for the particular model.
  - Interior: Free but must comply with General item 3.
  - Digital Chip: Scalextric F1 or Scalextric DPR F1.
  - Motor: Standard silver-can 18,000 RPM FF.
  - Gearing: Standard for the particular model.
  - Magnets: Single standard magnet for the particular model.
  - Wheels: Standard for the particular model.
  - Axles: Standard for the particular model.
  - Tyres: Free.
  - Guide Flag: Free.
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Restricted-Modification Classes
- Restricted GT (RGT)
  - Body: Must be modeled after a two-door car which competes in GT racing and must comply with General item 2. Windows may be tinted so as not to reveal the cockpit - see Eligable Cars below.
  - Chassis: Standard for the particular model.
  - Minimum Ground Clearance: 1.0 mm / 0.040".
  - Interior: Free but must comply with General item 3.
  - Digital Chip: Free.
  - Motor: 25,000 RPM or lower, based on manufacturer's specifications.
  - Gearing: Free.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Standard for the particular model.
  - Magnets: A single magnet (up to 2.5mm thick in the case of bar magnets) which must be positioned in one of the standard magnet locations for the particular model. This location may be modified to the extent that the edges of the magnet are flush with the chassis bottom, however forward and aft position of the magnet and the magnet's x and y dimensions may not differ from the stock model.
  - Wheels: Free.
  - Axles: Free.
  - Tyres: Free.
  - Guide Flag: Free.
  - Eligible cars:
    - ASL Garaiya
    - Aston Martin DBR9
    - Aston Martin V12 Vantage GT3
    - Aston Martin V8 Vantage
    - Aston Martin Vantage GTE
    - Audi R8 GT3
    - BMW M3
    - BMW Z4 GT3
    - BMW Z4 M Coupé
    - Chevrolet Corvette C6
    - Chevrolet Corvette C6.R
    - Chevrolet Corvette Z06-R
    - Dodge Viper
    - Ferrari 360 Modena
    - Ferrari 458 Italia
    - Ferrari 550 GTS
    - Ferrari F40
    - Ferrari F430
    - Ford GT
    - Honda CR-Z
    - Honda HSV-010 GT
    - Honda NSX
    - Honda NZX
    - Jaguar XKRS
    - Lamborghini Diablo
    - Lamborghini Gallardo
    - Lamborghini Murcielago
    - Lexus IS 350
    - Lexus SC430
    - Lotus Evora
    - Lotus Exige
    - Maserato Trofeo
    - Mazda RX-7
    - McLaren F1 GTR
    - McLaren MP4-12C
    - Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR
    - Mercedes-Benz SLR 722 GT
    - Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
    - Mirage GT1
    - Mooncraft Shiden
    - Mosler MT900
    - Nissan 300ZX
    - Nissan 350Z
    - Nissan Fairlady Z
    - Nissan GT-R
    - Nissan Skyline
    - Porsche 911
    - Porsche 968
    - Porsche 997
    - Toyota RC F
    - Toyota Supra
    - TVR Speed 12
    - TVR T200
    - Vemac RD
    The list will be expanded if and when other eligible models appear.
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  Modified Production (MP)
  - Body: Must be based on a non-GT production car and must comply with General item 2. Windows may be tinted so as not to reveal the cockpit.
  - Chassis: Free.
  - Minimum Ground Clearance: 1.0 mm / 0.040".
  - Interior: Free but must comply with General item 3.
  - Digital Chip: Free.
  - Motor: 23,000 RPM or lower, based on manufacturer's specifications.
  - Gearing: Free.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Free.
  - Magnets: All magnets must be positioned in a single location ahead of the rear tyres when viewed from the bottom or top of the chassis (stacking allowed; see diagram below).
  - Wheels: Free.
  - Axles: Free.
  - Tyres: Free.
  - Guide Flag: Free.
  - Eligible cars:
    
    To qualify, body must be based on a non-GT car that is constructed principally for retail sale to consumers for their personal use and to transport people on public roads (no commercial or industrial vehicles are eligible), but may be modified by the addition of fender flares/extensions, wings and spoilers. Examples of non-eligible GT cars are Porsche 911/997, any Ferrari or Lamborghini and most cars with "GT" in their names. If in doubt about a particular car's eligibility, please email Gordon at quicklapper@gmail.com.
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  Group 5 Sports Cars (1970-1975)
  For cars classified by the FIA as Group 5 Sports Cars between 1970 and 1975.
  - Body: Group 5 Sports Cars (1970-1975) only. See Eligable Cars below. Body must comply with General item 2. Windows may not be tinted - interior must be visible. Scratch-built Cars: Standard for the particular model - flares may not be added.
  - Chassis: Original chassis for the particular model, but may be modified.
  - Minimum Ground Clearance: 1.0 mm / 0.040".
  - Interior: Full interior as standard for the particular model, however this may be altered if necessary, but only to the extent required to install digital chip. Must comply with General item 3.
  - Digital Chip: Free.
  - Motor: 26,000 RPM or lower, based on manufacturer's specifications.
  - Gearing: Free.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Free.
  - Magnets: Maximum Magnet Marshal downforce of 260 gms (105% = 273 gms). Stacking allowed.
  - Wheels: Free.
  - Axles: Free.
  - Tyres: Free.
  - Guide Flag: Free.
  - Eligible cars:
    - Alfa Romeo 33/3
    - Alfa Romeo 33TT12
    - Ferrari 312P
    - Ferrari 512
    - Chevron B19
    - Chevron B21
    - Lola T70 Mk III
    - Mirage GR8
    - Matra MS670
    - Porsche 908LH
    - Porsche 917
    - Porsche 917LH
    - McLaren M8D (this is technically a Can-Am car but was built and raced during the appropriate period for this class)
    The list will be expanded if and when other eligible models appear.
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  Rally Car (RC)
  - Body: Must be modeled after a rally car and must comply with General item 2. Windows may be tinted so as not to reveal the cockpit.
  - Chassis: Free.
  - Interior: Free but if visible must have both driver and navigator figures (heads minimum).
  - Digital Chip: Free.
  - Motor: 21,500 RPM or lower, based on manufacturer's specifications. "Magnet-effect" motors are not allowed.
  - Gearing: Free.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Free.
  - Magnets: No magnets allowed. Any car found to stick (i.e. does not roll/move) to a standard section of Scalextric Sport track when the track is elevated to 45 degrees will be deemed to have failed and not be eligible for use. This can be referred to as the "45º rule".
  - Wheels: Free.
  - Axles: Free.
  - Tyres: Free.
  - Guide Flag: Free.
  No-Magnet Racing Tips
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Open Classes
- American Muscle (AM)
  - Body: Must be modeled after traditional “American Muscle”/late '60s and early '70s "Trans-Am" cars, including the Ford Mustang, Chevy Camaro, Plymouth Barracuda, Dodge Charger, Mercury Cougar, AMC Javelin and Pontiac Firebird. For the purpose of this class, the Chevrolet Corvette is not considered an American muscle car. Body must comply with General item 2. Windows may be tinted so as not to reveal the cockpit.
  - Chassis: Free.
  - Interior: Free but must comply with General item 3.
  - Digital Chip: Free.
  - Motor: Free.
  - Gearing: Free.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Free.
  - Magnets: Free.
  - Wheels: Free.
  - Axles: Free.
  - Tyres: Free.
  - Guide Flag: Free.
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  GT
  - Body: Must be modeled after a two-door car which competes in GT racing and must comply with General item 2. Windows may be tinted so as not to reveal the cockpit - see Eligible Cars under Restricted GT above
  - Chassis: Free.
  - Interior: Free but must comply with General item 3.
  - Digital Chip: Free.
  - Motor: Free.
  - Gearing: Free.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Free.
  - Magnets: Free.
  - Wheels: Free.
  - Axles: Free.
  - Tyres: Free.
  - Guide Flag: Free.
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  LMP
  - Body: Must be modeled after a prototype (non-production) car from 1976 onwards which competes in LMP racing and must comply with General item 2. Windows may be tinted so as not to reveal the cockpit.
  - Chassis: Free.
  - Interior: Free but must comply with General item 3.
  - Digital Chip: Free.
  - Motor: Free.
  - Gearing: Free.
  - Motor Pod (where applicable): Free.
  - Magnets: Free.
  - Wheels: Free.
  - Axles: Free.
  - Tyres: Free.
  - Guide Flag: Free.

RameshB · Post by **RameshB** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:14 pm

Sounds like 2015 is going to be quite nice , good observations i know we will sit and go through some of the details . bye Ramesh

steveaca · Post by **steveaca** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:41 am

Hi all,
in general I'm in favour of the proposed changes, particularly with respect to the HS class as I think that slowing down these cars is desirable. I would even say let's consider reverting to using standard tyres for this class.
As far as the motor changes in RGT and MP go, I would suggest that we make changes to only one class as to re-motor cars in both classes, particularly for anyone who might have more than one car in either or both classes would be quite costly.
Steve

Luke · Post by **Luke** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:58 am

Looking at the FRC (recently changed up) class groupings below and for the 2015 Rules and Regulations suggestions ... Other than the IROCs, Rally Car, Slotit Challenge and the OPEN classes. Must say, laid out this way - paints an interesting picture for the suggested changes. In theory, I believe (other than the IROCs & OPEN classes) RC & SC classes went through "The Mill" for all the major adjustment racing these 132 slotcars as is presently. Of course, only if something comes up later on and don't think that will happen in the near future.

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A. MGT/SGTC IROC - Restricted GT

B. Historic Saloon - Vintage Sports - Group 5 Sports Cars

C. MC IROC - Rally Car

D. Modified Production - F1

F. NSS IROC - Slot.It Challenge

G. AM - GT - LMP

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The overall suggestions looks somewhat A-okay to me but I didnt realize you could build scratch-built cars in VS and G5SC (plus other) classes too ... My take on this is simple - I don't really have the zeal (at least for the moment) to go build a car from the ground up, nevertheless I will still race my factory built cars (I already have for these classes) and see how it goes from there racing against scratch-built cars.

F1 on the other hand - I believe with the magnet plan arrangement - we can run into some discussion with that ...

Got to go to work now, more later.

Luke

Luke · Post by **Luke** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:07 pm

Here's the 6 classes (2015 suggested changes) listed for the Motor RPM, Ground Clearance & with the Maximum Magnet Downforce readings ... and in their respective groupings/order.

1. Restricted GT ............... Motor 25K rpm .......... Ground Clearance: 1 mm

2. Historic Saloon ............ Motor 20K rpm .......... Ground Clearance: 1 mm ~ Maximum Magnet Downforce of 180 gms.
3. Vintage Sports ............. Motor 21.5K rpm ...... Ground Clearance: 1 mm ~ Maximum Magnet Downforce of 220 gms.
4. G5 Sports Cars ............ Motor 26K rpm .......... Ground Clearance: 1 mm ~ Maximum Magnet Downforce of 260 gms.

5. Modified Production .... Motor 23K rpm .......... Ground Clearance: 1 mm
6. F1 ................................ Motor 18K rpm

I like how the D/Force readings are looking with 40gms apart for HS, VS & G5SC compared to the rpm ratings.

Luke

arden100 · Post by **arden100** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:01 pm

Gordon,

I have not read the email and studied your thoughts, however I did notice in some classes the introduction of downforce to the VS and HS. I would have really liked to see the rules get more user friendly. I know you have a magnet Marshall and it is available to everyone to check their cars. Personally I hate to come on race night to tune a car. I do have a lot more on my plate than before and we were going well with the two classes so time permitted me to tune my cars better. Going back to three classes puts us right back where we started. It may be argued that it takes the same time with shorter races, but it is still an extra car to tune.
Making rules simple and more user friendly allows any other person to race in the class should they choose to. Those classes were best left in there original state stock everything only trued tires. 1mm height restriction.

Gordon the less things to police the better and easier it becomes as well as enjoyable.

I will read the rest and comment as time permits.

Arden

steveaca · Post by **steveaca** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:50 pm

In an earlier post, I agreed with most of the proposed changes but after reading and digesting Arden's post, I agree with what he is saying about having to tune cars on race night using the Magnet Marshal. Re stock, ie HS and VS cars, my thoughts now would be similar to Arden's (ie. minimum 1.0 mm ground clearance but with stock, trued tyres). I would, however, offer the option of having free tyre choice on cars with, say, a ground clearance of 1.5 mm or greater. Please note that although this means there would not be a downforce limit, it does not mean that magnets can be added to stock cars as all normal requirements for this class would still need to be met. I think this would achieve the goal of slowing down and possibly evening things out a bit but without the complications of tuning and checking cars with the Magnet Marshal. VS cars could be treated similarly. I think that, in practical terms, it would be difficult to run three Magnet Marshal classes in one night.

Post by **gordon** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:01 pm

Guys,

My primary intent with the suggested changes - particularly in the stock classes - is twofold:

To produce closer, more competitive racing than we currently have.
Use any car (regardless of manufacturer) where the body conforms to the class.

That's it.

Why don't we make some changes to Slot.It Challenge? Perhaps allow NSR, Scalextric and other brands to compete? Oh wait, the class is already very competitive and allows for a range of body types (Group C cars). The class is competitive because every car has to conform to basically identical specs (other than body and minor chassis differences to allow different bodies). So there's no need to change anything here.

Looking at HS, we can accomplish this same competitiveness by allowing, for example, only Scaley Mk I Escorts. Similarly, in VS, only Slot.It GT40s.

But is this what we want? I really don't think so. So if we don't, what's the easiest way to accomplish my two stated objectives above?

Gordon

Post by **gordon** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:24 pm

If were looking at ease of checking, how about this proposal for HS which also takes into account scratch-built cars. We only need to check the blue items.

Body: See Eligable Cars below. Body must comply with General item 2. Windows may not be tinted - interior must be visible.
Chassis: Free.
Minimum Ground Clearance: 1.0 mm / 0.040".
Interior: Must comply with General item 3.
Digital Chip: Free.
Motor: Standard for the particular model. Scratch Built Cars: Any motor that is standard for a non-scratch-built, HS-legal car.
Gearing: Free.
Motor Pod (where applicable): Free.
Magnets: Must be in a single location on the chassis.
Wheels: Maximum width of 0.25 in (6.35 mm).
Axles: Tyres may not extend beyond body when viewed from top.
Track maximum of 2 in (51 mm).
Tyres: Free.
Guide Flag: Free.

We can do similar for VS.

steveaca · Post by **steveaca** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:04 am

Hi all,
re HS and VS classes, I would prefer to see us race cars which are more or less stock. In my view, the latest proposal from Gordon allows (actually in some cases, necessitates) a fair amount of modification. I think that some cars could become even faster than at present. I maintain my suggestion that these cars remain 'as is' , with 1.0 mm ground clearance , standard chassis, motor, wheels, gearing, Scaley chip etc. but with standard rubber tyres,trued/ground as necessary, maybe allowing free tyre choice on cars that have a higher ground clearance, minimum to be decided upon.(Some cars, due to their design, cannot get close to a ground clearance of 1.0 mm.).
VS cars can be given a similar treatment.
Steve

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