Are IRL cars allowed in our 2018 F1 class?

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Are IRL cars allowed in our 2018 F1 class?

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Luke, you just come whenever you'd like. There'll always be cars available for you to use.
AOK Gordon and hope you don’t think I am being difficult because I appreciate your tactful & kind statement above ...

It’s something I was probably going to do anyway (in the fullness of time) and you made situation so much easier 8-)

Thank you and as we’re on this round of (RC, SC & F1) classes, I would like to find out if you are allowing the IRL cars to race with F1 cars (again) because remembered when you mentioned (somewhere on the forum) this type "Indy" car, is no longer allowed to compete with the F1 type cars.

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Luke wrote:Thank you and as we’re on this round of (RC, SC & F1) classes, I would like to find out if you are allowing the IRL cars to race with F1 cars (again) because remembered when you mentioned (somewhere on the forum) this type "Indy" car, is no longer allowed to compete with the F1 type cars.

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That's a good question Luke. Here are the two items in the 2018 F1 rules that relate to the body of the car:
  • Period: 2000 onwards.
    Body: F1 or F1-type body (must be painted - no unpainted bodies allowed. We want this class to have cars that look like real F1 cars). Front spoiler and rear wing are encouraged. Wing attachments can be reinforced (no tape is allowed on the top surface of the wing).
"Period" identifies the era of F1 cars the class is intended for. This means that F1 cars designs/shapes prior to 2000 are technically not allowed. "Body" explains that the car must be a model of an F1 or "F1-type" car and this is where it is open to interpretation. However, it further goes on to say that "We want this class to have cars that look like real F1 cars", reducing the leeway for interpretation. Here are the F1 World Championship winning cars from 2000 to 2013 and some designs from late 2017 to early 2018, examples of the types of car bodies and liveries the class is intended to emulate:

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Here's what the Scalextric Dallara Indy Car looks like:

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So, the questions regarding indy cars from 2000 onwards (and specifically the Dallara in question) are:
  1. Are they F1-type cars?
  2. Do they "look like real F1 cars" for the period 2000 onwards?
My answers would be:
  1. Yes.
  2. Sort of.
Now we all know that Steve is very innovative when it comes to rules interpretation (remember the second guide flag at the rear of his rally car?). Perhaps you other guys can let us know what your answers would be to these two questions and your general thoughts on the topic.
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Re: Are IRL cars allowed in our 2018 F1 class?

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That's a good question Luke.

Thanks Gordon and remembered the excitement these IRL Scalextric models brought when they first raced (around 2009) at FRC ... Plus long before I joined FRC - collected must of these type (open wheel) racing cars.

As soon the F1 racing was introduced (Race Day 23 / October ‘09) most of guys didn’t have any F1 cars and I went about selling off these same IRL models (in order) to names listed below. I can’t recollect what happened to a few (2) of them though ...
  • 01. Scalextric C2394 Dallara Indy - Red Bull No.52 ............... N/A
    02. Scalextric C2442 Dallara Indy - Penzoil No.4 .................. Dougie
    03. Scalextric C2443 Dallara Indy - Corteco No.7 ................. Nicholas E.
    04. Scalextric C2498 Dallara Indy - Delphi No.8 ................... Can’t remember ...
    05. Scalextric C2515 Dallara Indy - Coca Cola No.7 .............. Boo
    06. Scalextric C2516 Dallara Indy - Mobil1 No.5 ................... Can’t remember ...
    07. Scalextric C2517 Dallara Indy - Gulf No.4 ...................... Gordon
    08. Scalextric C2518 Dallara Indy - Pirelli No.3 .................... Paul
    09. Scalextric C2571 Dallara Indy - Arcaex No.27 ................. Nicholas E. & Steve (Self owned)
    10. Scalextric C2572 Dallara Indy - 7-Eleven No.11 .............. Paul
    11. Scalextric C2606 Dallara Indy - Club 2004 Model ............ Alex and myself
    12. Scalextric C2650 Dallara Indy - Klein Tools No.26 ........... N/A
    13. Scalextric C8302 Dallara Indy - Yellow/Silver No.9 .......... Brent (Self owned)
    14. Scalextric C8303 Dallara Indy - Blue/Silver No.8 ............. N/A
The N/A (1, 12 & 14) lines are the only 3 models that wasn’t available for some reason or the other and don’t remember seeing them raced by anyone else at FRC ...

Nonetheless out of the 14 models listed and being open-wheeled cars (as much as) 9 guys raced Indy cars in the F1 class.

However, as the FRC F1 2018 Regs stands and IRL models being F1-type cars ~ it may bring back that huge racing movement to the FRC circuit :D

Have a wonderful day,

Luke
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Re: Are IRL cars allowed in our 2018 F1 class?

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I think we are always open to any thing that will bring back any huge racing movement, so i am in favor of this introduction,.
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I think that I can stick my head out here and say that The resurgence of drivers in any class will always be the gold of FRC ! I would think that if a rule has to be changed (even only temporally) to achieve this then I am for it. Thursday night was the first time in many months that I had to think about being eliminated after qualifying because there were over seven eligible drivers there!!! May it so much better!!!
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Re: Are IRL cars allowed in our 2018 F1 class?

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Well I like the comments I've read here and they sway me to agree with allowing IRL and similar cars in the F1 class.
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